Related by Chance, Family by Choice, Interview with Author Deb DeArmond

related-by-chance-family-by-choiceThe holidays can be challenging for marriages, especially when in-law relationships are involved. A few years ago I met Deb DeArmond at a writers conference and was fascinated with some of the common-sense ideas she shared that helps her maintain good relationships with her daughters-in-law. When she told me about her book, Related by Chance, Family by Choice, a book that focuses on the relationships between mothers-in-law and daughters-in-law, I knew this would be a great book to share with you here.  Deb regularly speaks and writes on topics related to the family and communication issues, and I’m pleased that she as able to join us here for this interview.

Linda: Related by Chance, Family by Choice focuses on the relationships between mothers-in-law and daughters-in-law. Please tell my readers how you got interested in this topic.

Deb: A woman at a retreat I attended with two of my three daughters-in-law asked me about my relationship with the girls. She had become acquainted with them as they all shared a bunk room. “They don’t like you one bit. They’re crazy about you. I want to know how you did that.”

We sat together after dinner as she told me about the young woman who’d married her son. She had a long list of flaws and failures according to my new friend. She ended the diatribe by saying, “But I’m not telling you anything I haven’t already said to her!” When I suggested she might need to ask forgiveness, first from the Lord and then from her daughter-in-law, she was upset. “But it’s not my fault,” she replied. I smiled and said, “It’s not about finding fault. It’s about finding solutions. God is ready to help make this right if you are.” She ended our conversation at that point.

On the ride home, I discussed it with the girls. They reminded me that over the years, they had been asked, as had I, “How do you all do this in-law thing so well? You’re not just friendly—you’re family.” We began assessing how we have taken four very different sets of experiences and personalities and created terrific relationships. We thought it might help others in what’s often the most beleaguered family relationship.

Linda: Why do you think mothers-in-laws and daughters-in-law struggle? Why can’t these two women get along?

Deb: There is a natural competition between these two women. Each one often wants to be the most important woman in his life. God’s Word is clear: “A man shall leave his mother and father and cleave unto his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” We were given sons to raise, but never to keep. That’s a bitter pill for some Mamas.

But daughters-in-law can be the issue as well. Maybe they’ve seen friends or sisters struggle with their MIL and they are ready for a fight when they marry. The jokes and the movies add fire to keep the fear alive they will have to vie for the man’s attention. So any movement in the brush may be met with a barrelful of buckshot.

Linda: So you’re a mother-in-law – how many daughters-in-law do you have? Tell us a little bit about the girls and your relationship.

Deb: I have three fabulous daughters-in-love: a redhead, a brunette and a blonde. They are as different from one another (and different from me) as their hair color. I’m blessed to say the girls are good friends; and they count me among their friends, too, as I do them. I’m grateful to be their backup mama. I know and love each of their mothers and would never try to replace any of them; it’s not possible, but some MILs have been known to try.

One of the things that we have committed to is good communication. We work out differences before they become problems. It’s not always easy, but it’s always been worth the effort. We have learned over the years to not let things fester. That’s when the enemy tends to make accusations against one deb-dearmondanother and real damage, pain, and hurt are the product.

I’m often asked what my DILs have taught me. The list is too long to cover here, but among the important stuff: my make-up was outdated and my wardrobe was too matronly. I love to bake with Sarah, because I’m not good at it. I share a love for all things books with Penny and we trade ideas together. And Heather and I pursued the same career and connect over concepts there.

Linda: You are also a daughter-in-law. How do YOU get along with your Mother-in-Law?

Deb: My own mother died when I was in my early forties. I think God knew I’d need a backup mama. My MIL, Virginia, is 84 and sharp as a tack. She Facebooks and Instagram’s to stay connected to her kids, her grandkids, and her greatgrans, as she calls them. She is at the center of the family because she chooses to learn and adapt in order to remain relevant. I admire that a great deal. We are very close.

I’ve learned so much from her, but most importantly, her faith always inspires me. Her consistent walk with the Lord never fails. She is the first one in the family we call when we need a prayer warrior on our side.

Linda: Is the book autobiographical? Is it your story?

Deb: There are certainly bits and pieces of our story. But we knew this could not be our experience alone. So before we began to write, we did online surveys, focus groups, and lots of interviews. What we discovered blew us away—and provided clear direction to write the book.

Linda: What facts related to the writing of this book, surprised you? What are the statistics our readers might find interesting?

There’s virtually no difference between the survey results of Christian women and those with no faith affiliation at all. Big surprise.

  • 79% of the women surveyed identified as Christian, and reported their faith was foundational to their lives and guided their daily actions and decisions.
  • 87% were of the same faith as their woman-in-law, but 62% saw themselves as more consistent with integrating their faith into their lives as reflected in behavior.
  • 30% reported the relationship was bad, which they described as difficult, filled with criticism, or they felt off-balance with their woman-in-law.
  • 57% said the difficulties in the relationship were either mostly their fault, or they at least equally shared the responsibility for the failure of the relationship.
  • But there is good news. 70% said they would be willing to make the effort necessary to improve the relationship if they knew how.

Linda: There are a lot of self-help books on family relationships. In what ways is your book distinct from other books on the topic or in the genre?

Deb: Knowing you should do something to improve the situation is a start. But unless you know how to do it, it’s not that helpful.

I’ve spent my career helping adults learn to communicate well, build and preserve relationships, and resolve conflict. Because so many said they’d be willing but didn’t know how to improve things, there was a natural fit. This is not a book of shoulds; but a very practical set of how-to’s. It’s filled with self-assessments, tools, and a plan of action at the end of each chapter. Improvement doesn’t happen till you do something with what you’ve learned.

Linda: The holidays are approaching and they can be especially difficult. What hope and help can you offer to our readers?

Deb:

  • Be flexible. We’ve done Christmas early, and we’ve celebrated after the holiday. We’ve come to the conclusion we enjoy spending the time together when the hoopla and crazy pace of the actual day has passed. Less pressure, more fun. It’s the time together that matters, not the specific day. Thanksgiving can be less formal than your tradition might prefer. Make it work for everyone.
  • Be gracious. What if the kids want to go snorkeling this year in Hawaii instead of attending any family gathering? Drive them to the airport and wish them sweet aloha for their getaway time. Couples – of all ages – need to recharge and holidays provide the chance for time away. Wish them well, offer to keep the kids and feed their dog while they’re gone. Their marriage will benefit from the boost.
  • Be grateful. Many are alone – for every holiday. They have no family. If God has blessed you with children, acknowledge the gift of their presence in your life if not in your home this year. There will be other opportunities.

Linda: So who’s this book written for? Who will find it helpful?

Deb:  Mothers-in-law, daughters-in-law – whether the relationship is bad or not. Many have reported they found ways to make a good relationship even better. The men-in-the middle are sometimes unknowingly part of the problem rather than the solution. They’d benefit as well. And for women about to become a woman-in-law, and for boy mamas regardless of their sons’ age – head heartbreak off before it begins.

Linda: Where can our readers find the book?

Deb: Their favorite Christian bookstore. Also find it online at Christianbooks.com, Lifeway, Mardel, Barnes & Noble, Walmart, and Target.

Linda: How can our readers connect with you?

Deb: They can find me online at Deb DeArmond/Family Matters (debdearmond.com) and on Facebook at AuthorDebDeArmond

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Interview with Becky Hunter, Author of Why Her? You, Your Daughter/Mother-in-law and the Big Picture

Why Her - Becky HunterAS WE APPROACH THANKSGIVING and the holidays, some of us grapple with a nagging concern about some of the extended family challenges we might encounter in the midst of the festivities. One of those at the top of the list is the mother-in-law/daughter-in-law relationship.

This month I am delighted beyond measure to interview Becky Hunter, co-author of Why Her? You, Your Daughter/Mother-in-law and the Big Picture. Becky is the wife of Joel Hunter, pastor of Northland a Church Distributed in Longwood, Florida, which has an active congregation of 20,000 worshippers. But even more special to me, she is my pastor’s wife and a dear friend. One of the unique things about Why Her? is that it’s written from the perspective of both the mother-in-law and the daughter-in-law. (Flip the book to see the different perspectives.) Becky and all three of her daughters-in-law corroborated together to produce this gem of a book about what can be a very challenging relationship. And I can personally attest to the authenticity of what they share in the book.

As president of the Global Pastors Wives Network from 2006 through 2008, Becky led seminars on five continents and was featured in TIME magazine for her ministry to pastors’ wives. She is also the author of, Being Good To Your Husband on Purpose. More than 20,000 people receive her weekly blog Random Bits of Wisdom.

Linda: Becky, tell me, how did you and your daughters-in-law come to write this book?

Becky: My three daughters-in-law and I always had a good relationship. We were often asked how we made the mother-in-law/daughter-in-law connection work. On a family vacation one summer we started talking about why it is that we get along so well and made a decision to write down what we understood about the m-i-l/d-i-l relationship, hopeful that our understanding and experience could help others. We dove into nine aspects of the m-i-l/d-i-l relationship. Each of my daughters-in-law wrote about three of the nine topics from a daughter-in-law perspective and I wrote on the same nine topics from a mother-in-law perspective. An unanticipated but great result of the project was the growth it brought in our relationship with each other. Now, in addition to what we wrote in the book, we tell m-i-ls and d-i-ls that if they get an opportunity to work on something together they might be surprised how positively that alone can affect their relationship.”

Why So Difficult?

Linda: Is there something in particular that makes many mother-in-law/daughter-in-law relationships so difficult?

Becky: “Great question! And the short answer is yes; two women love the same man — one believing her role is to protect him and the other believing him to be her protector. So, the chances of these two women seeing eye-to-eye can be pretty remote. Issues within this relationship are wide ranging. There are so many daughters-in-law that fear their mothers-in-law that there is a clinical term for fear of a mother-in-law! Such fear is called pentheraphobia.” But it’s not just daughters-in-law that have struggles it’s the mothers-in-law as well. And these issues are not new! We even see an example in Greek mythology; the story is told that Cupid’s mother, Venus, the goddess of love and beauty was absolutely beside herself when she found out that her arrow shooting – heart-piercing son had fallen in love with and secretly married the beautiful Psyche, a woman who was only human. Venus put Psyche through several insane tests, always hoping against hope that Psyche would fail.

Linda: Is there anything that a mother-in-law could do to keep from being intimidating or that a daughter-in-law could do to keep from failing?

Becky: When a mother-in-law sees her daughter-in-law from God’s perspective, she begins to not only better understand but also better support the God-given dreams of her daughter-in-law. She doesn’t try to shape her to fit her own wishes. But no two m-i-l/d-i-l relationships are alike so every mother-in-law has to wisely consider what makes the most sense in building her specific life-long relationship with her daughter-in-law. There will be times when the most help is simply staying out of her d-i-l’s way and there are other times when pitching in will bless her d-i-l, but always the most effective help will be when she really prays for her daughter-in-law; and I do mean prays for her, not prays about her!

And as far as a daughter-in-law doing what God loves and what will matter most for the m-i-l/d-i-l relationship and give it the best chance to thrive, the most important thing she can do is to be a loving, helpful, respectful wife to the man that mother-in-law poured her life into all those years.

Linda: If you could share one thing that might help someone have a better relationship with their mother-in-law or daughter-in-law what would you say?

Becky: To mothers-in-law I would say, think about how you would want to have your mother-in-law treat you and be that kind of mother-in-law! To daughters-in-law I would say, think about what kind of daughter-in-law you would like to have some day and be that kind of daughter-in-law! It’s amazing how well this works whenever it is applied. Of course, I can’t take any credit for this brilliant strategy, it was Jesus who said “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Trouble During the Holidays

Linda: What would you say to a woman whose marriage is in trouble and knows she will be spending time during the holidays with a mother-in-law with whom she has an uneasy relationship?

Becky: Good time of year to be thinking about that! First, it’s important to pray for wisdom and peace before you ever head in her direction. Use Philippians 4:8 as a filter for your prayer – “Fix your thoughts on what is true, honorable, right, pure, lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.” When we do that, Scripture promises that such godly things are put into practice and God will be with us and we’ll experience peace.

Second, always be intentional about interacting kindly with your husband and don’t forget to do that when your mother-in-law is around. When relationships are rocky, it is especially important that our words and actions spring from intentional “thinking” more than they do free- wheeling “emoting.” If we don’t want to be staring regret in the face at the end of the day, we have to make wise decisions. Being a good wife ranks priority over being a good daughter-in-law; but the truth is, in a perfect world, being a good wife, is the best definition of a good daughter-in-law.

Why Her - Becky & daughters-in-law

Flip the book, and it’s about the mother-in-law

And third, take a moment to do something special for your husband’s mother…without expectation of her responding. You could do something really simple, like send her a sweet note or flowers a few days before you get together, or as complex and challenging as prepare and clean up a dinner while you are together, intentionally giving her some time to catch up with her son. All that said, I bet you have a pretty good idea of what your mother-in-law appreciates, and what better time to go the extra mile in spite of a troubled marriage than when you are engaged in family gatherings and traditions over holidays? Say a prayer and bring your best self to that table!”

Linda: What great advice! In spite of the challenges of the situation, I can see how your wise recommendations could actually help promote healing as a whole. What lead you to choose the title Why Her? for a book on the mother-in-law/daughter-in-law relationship?

Becky: As we wrote the manuscript we referred to our efforts as “The MIL/DIL Relationship” but as we got to the final chapters, conversations among the four of us often revolved around the fact that God has a purpose for each relationship in our lives; there is something we can learn from each person, some way we can improve personally because of them, some opportunity to encourage the other. One day Elizabeth suggested that the title “Why Her?” might be most to the point. That really resonated with all of us. We hope each DIL and MIL will consider why God has this woman in her life. He does have a purpose, and whether His reason is rooted in a “so that…” or an “in spite of…”, there is a reason she is in your life.

Linda: And that takes us into the sub-title of your book, “You, Your Daughter/Mother-in-law and the Big Picture”. Sounds like your book shows us that there’s more to this relationship than just the nuts and bolts of interacting.

Becky: Yes, we believe Why Her? Is aptly titled for the book emphasizes “why to” more than a “how to” work on this unique woman-to- woman relationship: in a world where jokes like this one about mothers-in-law are the norm:
“Do you know the real reason the Garden of Eden was so perfect?”
“Umm. No.”
“Because Eve didn’t have a mother-in-law!”

The daunting challenge inherent in the mother-in-law/daughter-in-law relationship is universal. Unless we understand why a positive connection between a m-i-l and d-i-l matters nothing will ever change. Through biblical principles, anecdotes and personal examples, I hope that Why Her? can inspire each married man’s wife and mother to try or perhaps try again to appreciate each other.

Linda: “One final question: Where can people find more information about Why Her?

Becky: Why Her? is available in both softcover and Kindle versions at Amazon.com. Additionally the book is available in the bookstore at Northland, a Church Distributed at 530 Dog Track Road, Longwood, FL 32750. Thanks, for this opportunity to share about Why Her? Linda. I really appreciate that.

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